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  • Anonymous
    December 15, 2009 - 4:01 pm | Permalink

    I don't think this is a good idea. It further divides drivers and cyclists and isn't a clear representation of the law. In most states, it gives you that option IF the road is too narrow–but not as a general rule.Either way, common courtesy between drivers and cyclists is what I'd like to see… not some campaign about a rule that already annoys drivers. Just cause they know the rule doesn't mean they'll appreciate cyclists any more.

  • Anonymous
    December 15, 2009 - 9:01 am | Permalink

    I don't think this is a good idea. It further divides drivers and cyclists and isn't a clear representation of the law. In most states, it gives you that option IF the road is too narrow–but not as a general rule.

    Either way, common courtesy between drivers and cyclists is what I'd like to see… not some campaign about a rule that already annoys drivers. Just cause they know the rule doesn't mean they'll appreciate cyclists any more.

  • CameronInOK
    December 15, 2009 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    They must think you DO think it is a good idea. They have you listed as a supporter. http://baufl.org/Our_Supporters.htmlCam

  • CameronInOK
    December 15, 2009 - 9:15 am | Permalink

    They must think you DO think it is a good idea. They have you listed as a supporter. http://baufl.org/Our_Supporters.html

    Cam

  • kit
    December 15, 2009 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    @cam: LOL! ;)But no, anonymous is totally right. Putting a roadsign on your car is *so* confrontational! We should all just ride on the sidewalk where we believe and let the cars use the public space they so rightfully bought with lobbyist money.

  • kit
    December 15, 2009 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    @cam: LOL! ;)

    But no, anonymous is totally right. Putting a roadsign on your car is *so* confrontational! We should all just ride on the sidewalk where we believe and let the cars use the public space they so rightfully bought with lobbyist money.

  • Yokota Fritz
    December 15, 2009 - 5:11 pm | Permalink

    @Cam: I think you might have the comment from Anon confused with the post from me.

  • Yokota Fritz
    December 15, 2009 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    @Cam: I think you might have the comment from Anon confused with the post from me.

  • cafiend
    December 15, 2009 - 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Rules don't annoy drivers. Bikes do. At least that's true of drivers prone to be annoyed. Many of them operate on the "might makes right" principle. You have the right…now try to claim it.I used to claim the lane long before I knew a rule or law supported me. I did it the way small humans have herded larger beasts for thousands of years. You use your judgment to know when to get in the way and when to get out of the way. Realize that you won't turn the herd every time.Knowing and publicizing the law might help with the drivers who will give way once they know they have to. But there will still be holdouts from the old way, and drivers in a hurry who try to push a point "just this once" again and again.

  • cafiend
    December 15, 2009 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    Rules don't annoy drivers. Bikes do. At least that's true of drivers prone to be annoyed. Many of them operate on the "might makes right" principle. You have the right…now try to claim it.

    I used to claim the lane long before I knew a rule or law supported me. I did it the way small humans have herded larger beasts for thousands of years. You use your judgment to know when to get in the way and when to get out of the way. Realize that you won't turn the herd every time.

    Knowing and publicizing the law might help with the drivers who will give way once they know they have to. But there will still be holdouts from the old way, and drivers in a hurry who try to push a point "just this once" again and again.

  • Anonymous
    December 15, 2009 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    I really think "Share the Road" is the best sign. It is short. It is non-confrontational. It applies to all users, thus emphasizing that the law applies equally to all.

  • Anonymous
    December 15, 2009 - 12:27 pm | Permalink

    I really think "Share the Road" is the best sign. It is short. It is non-confrontational. It applies to all users, thus emphasizing that the law applies equally to all.

  • Richard C. Moeur
    December 16, 2009 - 4:35 am | Permalink

    The problem with "share the road" is that there are many very widely differing interpretations of "share". To many road users, "share" means "take the part of the road completely out of my way".To see the sign that will very soon likely be the US standard for this situation, go to:http://members.cox.net/ncutcdbtc/fall05/bike01-bmufl.pdf

  • Richard C. Moeur
    December 15, 2009 - 9:35 pm | Permalink

    The problem with "share the road" is that there are many very widely differing interpretations of "share". To many road users, "share" means "take the part of the road completely out of my way".

    To see the sign that will very soon likely be the US standard for this situation, go to:
    http://members.cox.net/ncutcdbtc/fall05/bike01-bmufl.pdf

  • Anonymous
    December 16, 2009 - 5:00 am | Permalink

    Today, if I had been texting or otherwise distracted, I could have easily hit a bicyclist riding in the middle of the lane, on a 2 lane road, next to his buddy. He was doing maybe 10 mph, I was doing 45. He might have been in the right, but he would have been dead if I wasn't paying attention. I respect bikes riding single file, but I get annoyed when they ride side by side, blocking the road. They should be cited for blocking traffic. Why bicyclists think this is safe is beyond me.

  • Anonymous
    December 15, 2009 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Today, if I had been texting or otherwise distracted, I could have easily hit a bicyclist riding in the middle of the lane, on a 2 lane road, next to his buddy. He was doing maybe 10 mph, I was doing 45. He might have been in the right, but he would have been dead if I wasn't paying attention. I respect bikes riding single file, but I get annoyed when they ride side by side, blocking the road. They should be cited for blocking traffic. Why bicyclists think this is safe is beyond me.

  • cafiend
    December 16, 2009 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    "Today, if I had been texting or otherwise distracted, I could have easily hit a bicyclist riding in the middle of the lane, on a 2 lane road, next to his buddy. He was doing maybe 10 mph, I was doing 45. He might have been in the right, but he would have been dead if I wasn't paying attention. I respect bikes riding single file, but I get annoyed when they ride side by side, blocking the road. They should be cited for blocking traffic. Why bicyclists think this is safe is beyond me.This is an example of the "might makes right" theory: You may be right but my car is bigger. Also, why would anyone in their right mind be texting while speeding down a two-lane road? How about drifting across the center line into oncoming motor vehicles? Or drifting to the right and nailing the cyclist riding next to the ditch?I do believe many cyclists show poor judgment when riding two abreast. Some of them are friends of mine. Since I can't change them, I will enjoy their company until some careless or vindictive bastard mows them down. But bad drivers can strike the legal and cautious as well.

  • cafiend
    December 16, 2009 - 4:50 am | Permalink

    "Today, if I had been texting or otherwise distracted, I could have easily hit a bicyclist riding in the middle of the lane, on a 2 lane road, next to his buddy. He was doing maybe 10 mph, I was doing 45. He might have been in the right, but he would have been dead if I wasn't paying attention. I respect bikes riding single file, but I get annoyed when they ride side by side, blocking the road. They should be cited for blocking traffic. Why bicyclists think this is safe is beyond me.

    This is an example of the "might makes right" theory: You may be right but my car is bigger. Also, why would anyone in their right mind be texting while speeding down a two-lane road? How about drifting across the center line into oncoming motor vehicles? Or drifting to the right and nailing the cyclist riding next to the ditch?

    I do believe many cyclists show poor judgment when riding two abreast. Some of them are friends of mine. Since I can't change them, I will enjoy their company until some careless or vindictive bastard mows them down. But bad drivers can strike the legal and cautious as well.

  • Yokota Fritz
    December 16, 2009 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Distracted drivers can be an argument for lane taking — we're that much more visible if we're not hugging the gutter.

  • Yokota Fritz
    December 16, 2009 - 10:29 am | Permalink

    Distracted drivers can be an argument for lane taking — we're that much more visible if we're not hugging the gutter.

  • Yokota Fritz
    December 16, 2009 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Moeur: I just got word that the 2009 MUTCD has finally been approved. Well done, sir!I'm aware the BAUFL sign is not the approved version — the one shown here is just for an awareness campaign.

  • Yokota Fritz
    December 16, 2009 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    @Richard Moeur: I just got word that the 2009 MUTCD has finally been approved. Well done, sir!

    I'm aware the BAUFL sign is not the approved version — the one shown here is just for an awareness campaign.

  • Anonymous
    December 17, 2009 - 1:25 am | Permalink

    It isn't necessarily that "might makes right". I'm guessing most car/bicycle accidents occur because one or both are not paying attention. In today's world that happens far too often. Why increase your chances of getting killed by riding so slow in the middle of the lane? Just sounds silly to me. You might be within the law, but you'll be dead. And as for the argument that a distracted driver would hit a bicyclist on the side of the road, come on, which do you think is more likely to get hit, someone on the side, or someone in the middle. It's all a matter of how much risk you want to assume, and riding in the middle of the road at 10 mph is too much risk for me. And this is coming from someone who has no problem doing 160 mph on a motorcycle at the track.

  • Anonymous
    December 16, 2009 - 6:25 pm | Permalink

    It isn't necessarily that "might makes right". I'm guessing most car/bicycle accidents occur because one or both are not paying attention. In today's world that happens far too often. Why increase your chances of getting killed by riding so slow in the middle of the lane? Just sounds silly to me. You might be within the law, but you'll be dead. And as for the argument that a distracted driver would hit a bicyclist on the side of the road, come on, which do you think is more likely to get hit, someone on the side, or someone in the middle. It's all a matter of how much risk you want to assume, and riding in the middle of the road at 10 mph is too much risk for me. And this is coming from someone who has no problem doing 160 mph on a motorcycle at the track.

  • cafiend
    December 17, 2009 - 2:00 am | Permalink

    Anon, the driver I was behind this morning (in my car) was two wheels onto the shoulder and then two wheels over the center line, repeatedly. I saw an SUV tonight halfway across the center line coming at me as well. People basically drive like crap. That's why 160 mph in a closed environment on the track is vastly safer than a trip to the corner store.Bicyclists are out there essentially naked. To be completely safe we should stay home in our fenced yard with a variety of defensive weapons close at hand.Instead we keep plugging away at things that seem like they might be helpful and keep our spirits up with the world we imagine we can create.

  • cafiend
    December 16, 2009 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Anon, the driver I was behind this morning (in my car) was two wheels onto the shoulder and then two wheels over the center line, repeatedly. I saw an SUV tonight halfway across the center line coming at me as well. People basically drive like crap. That's why 160 mph in a closed environment on the track is vastly safer than a trip to the corner store.

    Bicyclists are out there essentially naked. To be completely safe we should stay home in our fenced yard with a variety of defensive weapons close at hand.

    Instead we keep plugging away at things that seem like they might be helpful and keep our spirits up with the world we imagine we can create.

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