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here's my favorite take on the issue….http://washcycle.typepad.com/home/2008/07/the-myth-of-the.html
here's my favorite take on the issue….
http://washcycle.typepad.com/home/2008/07/the-myth-of-the.html
Very good, Darren — I've added it to the "See also" section.
Very good, Darren — I've added it to the "See also" section.
Excellent. "I try not to say that such-and-such action was wrong because it was illegal, but because it was dangerous."
Jack
Excellent. "I try not to say that such-and-such action was wrong because it was illegal, but because it was dangerous."Jack
I will admit it- I run red lights. If there is no cross traffic and I will not impede anyone's right of way, I will go. I slow down and make damn sure it's clear, but if it is safe, I'm off.
I will admit it- I run red lights. If there is no cross traffic and I will not impede anyone's right of way, I will go. I slow down and make damn sure it's clear, but if it is safe, I'm off.
Shame, Adrienne! Report immediately to the nearest re-education camp.
Shame, Adrienne! Report immediately to the nearest re-education camp.
As one of the few cyclist who stops at all lights and stop signs and who actually waits for the light to change before going I feel cars breaking the law are so much worse. That much steel kills. Plus how much further do they even get any way.
As one of the few cyclist who stops at all lights and stop signs and who actually waits for the light to change before going I feel cars breaking the law are so much worse. That much steel kills. Plus how much further do they even get any way.
Couldn't agree more. Cyclists don't kill people. And when a cyclist does something stupid, if anyone gets killed its most likely the cyclist.
Couldn't agree more. Cyclists don't kill people. And when a cyclist does something stupid, if anyone gets killed its most likely the cyclist.
Wrong is wrong. Police should stop and ticket all vehicle operators who violate the rules of the road.I am not a motorist, so I have little to say about motorist's behavior. I am a bicyclist and I loudly and vehemently decry scofflaw bicyclists behavior.
Wrong is wrong. Police should stop and ticket all vehicle operators who violate the rules of the road.
I am not a motorist, so I have little to say about motorist's behavior. I am a bicyclist and I loudly and vehemently decry scofflaw bicyclists behavior.
I regularly run stop signs in empty neighborhoods. Mind you I make sure no one is even in sight of me, other wise I'll stop, but none-the-less, I'm know I'm breaking the law. HOWEVER, I'll probably never run a light. seems to stupid and dangerous to me. But I have to disagree with CarFree Stupidity: "Cyclists don't kill people."A cyclist running a red light can cause a car to swerve, causing a major accident. Yeah, the cars are huge and heavy and dangerous, but they were made more dangerous by the actions of a cyclist. Just cause the cyclist himself isn't running into people and killing them doesn't mean he's not at fault.
I regularly run stop signs in empty neighborhoods. Mind you I make sure no one is even in sight of me, other wise I'll stop, but none-the-less, I'm know I'm breaking the law.
HOWEVER, I'll probably never run a light. seems to stupid and dangerous to me.
But I have to disagree with CarFree Stupidity: "Cyclists don't kill people."
A cyclist running a red light can cause a car to swerve, causing a major accident. Yeah, the cars are huge and heavy and dangerous, but they were made more dangerous by the actions of a cyclist. Just cause the cyclist himself isn't running into people and killing them doesn't mean he's not at fault.
I also get annoyed at cyclists who run lights and stop signs. Just yesterday I was nearly clobbered by a girl on a bike who coasted through a stop without looking when I had the right of way. But I also ran a red light yesterday, though granted I sat through a full cycle before learning the light wouldn't detect me and my bike. 🙁
I also get annoyed at cyclists who run lights and stop signs. Just yesterday I was nearly clobbered by a girl on a bike who coasted through a stop without looking when I had the right of way.
But I also ran a red light yesterday, though granted I sat through a full cycle before learning the light wouldn't detect me and my bike. 🙁